Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

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Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby JeffOYB » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:26 pm

I'm used to using Start Green. But is there a newer noticeably better way to go for the casual person who wants some cold weather glide?

The Swix guy goes into quite a bit of detail... Says CLEANING is critical. Is this also true for the rec skier? I don't want to get into the weeds World Cup style.

He seems to lean on CH4. ...But isn't that still a comparable to Start Green?

He talks about 2 or 3 coats and scrapes of CH4...

Then their fine steel brush. ...I use Home Depot gear. They have a steel brush and a brass brush that both seem fine.

I have a standard nylon (plastic?) waxing brush or two -- maybe one from Swix and one from Toko. Both old. They are brushes. Huge diff's b/w brushes?

I don't ski in noticeably dirty or manmade snow. No pollution around here. But I'll cross a salty road. My bases look white. They are the clear white plastic bases. I'm not planning on using my best race skis just for playing on unstable homestyle trails. All I want is some glide.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby JeffOYB » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:45 pm

i'm seeing some rec for various "cold powder" -- are they kinda interchangeable? i'm starting at none
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Gorf » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:31 pm

For glide I've been using CH4 and LF4 on and off for the past several skis, with a polar and green mix for kick. I did clean my skis before waxing and they were kinda dirty.

It must have helped, as I could ski with decent glide considering the conditions, but I was more worried about if I had enough Dermatone on my eyelashes, which were freezing a bit on the downhills.

After all it was getting to be below zero and wind chills near -20.
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby JeffOYB » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:13 pm

i rotobrushed and then metal brushed really hard -- back and forth -- and that seemed to help a lot. wax was start green one ski, CH6 the other ski.

skis quite a bit faster after this treatment (or abuse).

is it a crime to brush back and forth? is it gospel to only brush tip > tail?

i've read about polishing. i forget what that is. except to buff w something. maybe a cork. ?
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Loran » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:49 am

Decent glide on extra cold snow is a matter of ski (soft) and structure (very light).

If you metal rotor brush back and forth you may rise some hair, which is bad. You'd rather rotor brush with different angles offset to remove hair.
The best way to remove hair is a good scrapper.

The hardest wax is still softer than the ski base. Dirt attraction being a side effect of softer wax, yes cleaning is important.

Once you have removed all dirt, wax and hair from your base, just go to ski. Forget about wax especially on extra cold snow.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Montana » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:27 am

The way casual person should use something like the Vauhti Quick Glide liquid waxes. No ironing or scraping. Apply and brush. I haven't touched a hot iron to my skis in two years. There are also non fluoro versions for places like high school meets where fluorinated waxes are banned.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby TooHeavy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 am

I really question if that stuff would hold up for skate ski's doing any kind of distance Montana.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Montana » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:08 pm

TooHeavy wrote:I really question if that stuff would hold up for skate ski's doing any kind of distance Montana.

You are welcome to question the value of the wax. I've used it continuously for two years and found it very acceptable. The original post ask about waxing for casual folks. This wax definitely fits the bill for that type of user. As for me, I do not consider myself a casual skier.
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby DMK » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:02 pm

I've used it continuously for two years and found it very acceptable.

Do you have a sense of how long an application lasts? 30K, 50K, 70K? I've been intrigued by simple waxes but haven't used much since my tube of Toko paste wax ran out several years ago. The Toko paste was pretty good but didn't last very long, maybe 20K at best but was really nice and simple.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby JeffOYB » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:37 am

So this Vauhti Quick Glide works better than my simple Start Green approach in very cold weather?

I also like Loran's Kuzmin idea but have yet to try it.

I wonder if there's a way to get super-sharp scrapers at less expense, like in the furniture trade.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Montana » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:41 am

JeffOYB wrote:So this Vauhti Quick Glide works better than my simple Start Green approach in very cold weather?

Sorry, I have used Start Green in maybe 20+ years. I used Toko glide waxes before switching to Vauhti.
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Montana » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:43 am

DMK wrote:I've used it continuously for two years and found it very acceptable.
Do you have a sense of how long an application lasts? 30K, 50K, 70K? I've been intrigued by simple waxes but haven't used much since my tube of Toko paste wax ran out several years ago. The Toko paste was pretty good but didn't last very long, maybe 20K at best but was really nice and simple.
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Vauhti claims 45-50 km for the durability of the Quick Glides. It has definitely lasted through a Birkie Classic (54-55 Km).
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby JeffOYB » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:46 am

I just mean is it faster than your previous way of prepping skis for really cold weather.

Start Green has been famous as a cold prep. I'm wondering if there's a newer way that is faster and equally simple.

For all I know it's "Yeah, Start Green was good 20 yrs ago but today most ppl just do 'X' and it works a lot better."
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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby Blah » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:58 am

I have several of the Vauhti liquid waxes as well as the Rex liquids.

In really cold temps, 0F and below, the Vauhti Green liquid is not as good as a hard paraffin like Start Green in longer distances.

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Re: Best easy glide for zero deg F ???

Postby TooHeavy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:35 pm

Yes the old start green. Hard as nails. I always scraped it but I read somewhere you are not suppose to. Kind of a hard surface to glide on. Any one try it un scraped in real cold conditions ?


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