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What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by JeffOYB » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:28 pm

It looks like fluoros are being restricted here and there. I've seen topcoats banned. Don't know how they'll check for that, but...

What might the next gen of fast skis look like under these bans?

I assume a lot of places will still allow fluoros. ...Tho if they're getting into the ground maybe ski areas will ban?

...Maybe Kuzmin will move up the rankings?

I see a couple new green or bio types of wax makers launching. Any reports?
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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by Loran » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:01 pm

As I mentioned in the "Glidenano" thread, this is always the same old story; People are desperate trying to make PTFE or other fluoro powder stick on the ski base with some kind of glue primer (Hydrocarbon wax or Polydopamine supposedly in the case of Glidenano)

An even more environmental friendly approach would be to make ski base directly with PTFE (its cross-linked flavor being more wear resistant) and get rid of those disposable "wax".

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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by JeffOYB » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:23 pm

they're really going to need some sort of "wipe" or scanner for testing skis instantly -- gives a signal in presence of fluor
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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by DMK » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:45 pm

https://fasterskier.com/fsarticle/fis-m ... 21-season/

Pretty surprised by the speed of implementation. The writing has been on the wall but I would guess that less than 5% (maybe less then 1%?) of the race waxes they now use will be allowed next season.

I wonder what the ripple effects will be. Citizen races probably won't be impacted too much immediately but will this apply to all FIS races? I'm thinking of Jr Nationals qualifiers, college races,...If those racers are only using paraffins, the market for flourinated waxes is going to dry up pretty quickly.

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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by Neuro » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:32 am

Radical move, but I guess for the best, especially for waxers without ventilated work area.

Still curious why it's recommended for kids to eat fluoride tablets, and fluoride is still in tooth paste..

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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by LewLasher » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:54 pm

Neuro wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:32 am
Still curious why it's recommended for kids to eat fluoride tablets, and fluoride is still in tooth paste..
The fluoride toothpaste that I use says not to swallow it.

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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by sangreen » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:59 pm

Molecular context is everything.

Fluoride in toothpaste is the ionic form F-, which has been demonstrated to be harmless or even beneficial in small amounts. PFAS contain covalent incorporation of fluorine atoms.

Similar story with chlorine. Sodium chloride (salt) is harmless, essential even; yet PCBs are highly chlorinated and known environmental toxins.

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Re: What next? Fluoro being restricted ... new fastest option?

Post by LewLasher » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:27 am

I think I'm going to hold off on my idea of relabeling my toothpaste as fluoro klister ...

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