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narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby lilcliffy » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:32 pm

For my newest addition to my "quiver" I am looking for a traditional, narrow, double-cambered xcountry ski (waxable). The use is speed/glide-orientated, off-trail xcountry skiing, on gentle terrain- on dense and/or hard snow (I have wider skis for soft powder).

I keep getting drawn to the Madshus Glittertind (68mm shovel), Fischer E99 (66mm shovel), and perhaps the Rossi BC68 (68mm shovel).

However- I keep reminding myself- that for the intended use- I don't need the flotation of the above skis.

So- I also considering the Madshus Voss (60mm shovel), Fischer E89 (59mm shovel), and the Rossi BC59 (59mm shovel).

Anyone have any advice, thoughts or comments?

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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby nxski » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:18 pm

My favourite for that style is the Salomon XAdv Free.
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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby lilcliffy » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Is the Salomon XAdv Free available in a waxable base? I was under the impression that it only came in a waxless base.

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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby JeffOYB » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:14 am

How far 'off trail'? Breaking your own trail? Or for skiing hiking trails and such where folks may have tramped. Might be packed by other skiers and users but no grooming. Or do you mean crust-ish? For such skiing -- firm conditions -- wouldn't Fischer Sport Glass be fine? Waxable, full-length, 50mm. Then there's the Fischer Country at 58, also full-length waxer but I find them heavy and soft. Heck, if you're talking somewhat soft, semi-unbroken snow -- fresh few inches over a hiking trail, say -- then a light lively wood ski loves that kind of thing.
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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby nxski » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:09 pm

lilcliffy wrote:Is the Salomon XAdv Free available in a waxable base? I was under the impression that it only came in a waxless base.


That I'm not sure about, we only stock the waxless option.
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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby lilcliffy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:19 am

JeffOYB wrote:How far 'off trail'? Breaking your own trail? Or for skiing hiking trails and such where folks may have tramped. Might be packed by other skiers and users but no grooming. Or do you mean crust-ish? For such skiing -- firm conditions -- wouldn't Fischer Sport Glass be fine? Waxable, full-length, 50mm. Then there's the Fischer Country at 58, also full-length waxer but I find them heavy and soft. Heck, if you're talking somewhat soft, semi-unbroken snow -- fresh few inches over a hiking trail, say -- then a light lively wood ski loves that kind of thing.


Thanks for the reply! It does need to be a "backcountry" ski- for skiing from my doorstep. I have access to 100s of kms of woods trails/roads from my homestead. So- the only "track" that I may end up is returning on my own.

I live in central New Brunswick, Canada. In this local climate we get a lot of snowfall- but our weather is still somewhat maritime-influenced. Therefore, deep, soft, powder can quickly turn to dense, packed snow, and then can turn to hardpack. There is often short periods with thick crust in between the powder and the hard pack. In between the large snowfalls, we typically get up to several inches of fresh stuff on top of the hard base.

I have a variety of wide xcountry skis for breaking trail in deep powder.

My old, narrow, double-cambered Karhus, broke a couple of years ago. So I have been relying on my "narrowest" powder ski, a Madshus Eon (83mm shovel) for skiing on the hard snow surfaces. Although an excellent ski- the Eon is a very soft 1.5-cambered ski that excels primarily in up to 12 inches of powder- it is very inefficient over a hard base- not enough camber for efficient wax pocket and glide.

So in answer to your question- this ski will not be doing any hard trail breaking. This ski needs to have enough camber for an effective wax pocket; but enough forgiving flex to cruise on variable terrain.

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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby hegel » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:43 pm

I have limited experience in using different skis. I went through the same process as you however and ended up with the Glitterinds. They size longer (according to their specs) and have a stiffer camber than many other bc skis. this makes them built for speed and glide, not for turning . Also, they're pretty narrow, so they don't float that well. These characteristics match up well with your conditions however. I'm really happy with mine. google Glitterinds and check out the reviews.

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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby osloskier » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:01 pm

GlitterTind - there's a T in there. Tind = peak, Glittertind is Norway's second highest mountain.

An alternative would be Åsnes Holmenkollen, but I don't know if it's possible to get it in Canada. 3/4 steel edge, full camber, 58 mm, sintered p-tex base.

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Re: narrow double-cambered off-trail xcountry ski

Postby JeffOYB » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:37 am

Sounds like cool skiing! I say "just get a ski." :) You're on the right track. Fischer makes/made a full length approx 60mm ski, the Country, 1.5 camber, in both wax and nonwax. Versatile. A bit heavy, I thought, but bombproof.

I prefer their older, lighter Touring Light ski line that has a double camber. But doubles really only work on packed trails. The firm, high camber results in missed kicks in soft conditions. I do mostly enough casually-packed technical trail skiing so I love mine totally but I do have to watch my technique. Also, they are now really rare, from early 90's.
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