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Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Cloxxki » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:36 pm

Otepaa. 2 people won all races, men and women.
Kowalczyk and Cologna both won the spring and individual. And it was quite predictable too. Oh, both won the Tour de Ski even.

So if you're on form, you win both. And this is not the first time it happens.

Sprinting is not for specialists really, but for those who can't go the distance, or won't train specifically for it.
Distance is for those who are dreadful at sprinting, and not likely to win distance either.
Over 3 minutes, a sprinter is not going to have a clear edge over the allrounder superstars, unless they fail to show up (Milan city sprints).

It's been mentioned by Eurosport commentators. 1000-1500m would NOT be considered a sprint by track athletes. And their speeds and finish times are very similar, certainly to classic.
Perhaps sprints in XC should be more like 700-800m or less?

Same goes for Biathlon to some extent. There seem to be athletes who shine mostly on sprints, but that seems to have more to do with the amount of time to be lost with average shooting than by having an edge ski speed wise on shorter distances. If they'd have 4 shoots in the spint, being a 5km race, men and women, that'd be quite spectacular. Perhaps mated to a shortened panalty lap. Chances to be taken both skiing and shooting.

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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Biffbradford » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Hard to get real into it since we don't see the actual races here in North America. :crybaby:

But from what I've seen, the first 1100 meters is all positioning, they've all got the fitness to stay in touch with the bunch, then the last 100 meters is the race.

50k Classic. THAT's what I like to see. :D
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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Cloxxki » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:02 pm

Biffbradford wrote:Hard to get real into it since we don't see the actual races here in North America. :crybaby:

But from what I've seen, the first 1100 meters is all positioning, they've all got the fitness to stay in touch with the bunch, then the last 100 meters is the race.

50k Classic. THAT's what I like to see. :D

Just download. That's what I do. I don't endorse use of a TV, it just feeds me main stream media cra. I have a room that only has a TV and a chair. For rare times that I want to see a ski race live,a nd accept the dreadful local commentators. I only go into that room in the winter. British Eurosport is often awesome. Not that DL dude though. PW and MD are the awesome ones.

It may be positioning, but it's at such a pace that the sting is out of the dedicated sprinters, and the ones able to win a 50km are more likely to win anyway. In that positioning game, the likes of Newell and Randall are dropped of the back at times, so go figure. I would not be surprised to learn that the speed crossing the finish line for a 50k is at times actually higher than a sprint on the same course, with the same laps corner. Just due to the extended sprint preceeding.
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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby steener » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:50 pm

Biffbradford wrote:
50k Classic. THAT's what I like to see. :D



Second that.

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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Biffbradford » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:51 am

http://youtu.be/Bdw7SYduZEo

Top 3 Women from Otepaa are interviewed.
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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby MN Hoser » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:40 pm

If you're going to have a pure sprint, then it should be like track and field. So each skier would get a lane and there would be no interaction between skiers. The problem is, where could you find a course that's a 60 meters wide, straight, and uniform in undulations. Nowhere. So lane assignments would be a big factor in who wins. (I haven't seen many sprints) but it seems now they have to keep themselves out of trouble and in good position until an appropriate point where everyone sprints.

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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Cloxxki » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:10 am

Well you don't need so much snow. A course can make a figure eight, and as long as the tracks are the same width, all skiers get to do the same distance. Especially if you add a lane switch after a (very short) lap. I posted on this before.
They could also only do this in corners, and when chosen a lane, the next corner or corners must be in the other lane. Choose between slipstreaming and a clear path to go past.
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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Biffbradford » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:45 am

You could do a stadium or frozen lake.
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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Cloxxki » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:52 am

Biffbradford wrote:You could do a stadium or frozen lake.


Biathlon seems to work fine for stadiums, but those German fans are mad.
I wonder how many would come to a stadium to watch sprinting from the grandstands. Some will depend on how spectacular it really is.
Biathlon is all about seeing some of the stars otherwise only caught on TV. The Gelsenkirchen stadium is far removed from proper ski trails.

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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Biffbradford » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:37 pm

I KNEW I saw XC sprints run in a stadium. :D Here, in the Munich Olympic stadium (2007?):

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Re: Sprints too long? Seems like it!

Postby Cloxxki » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:51 pm

Minor detail the empty seats, biathlon does that better for some reason, even with most of the skiing out of sight, but on screens.
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