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Re: If waxing an issue for USST, format that uses less wax?

Postby jt10000 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:14 pm

JeffOYB wrote:If waxing continues to be an issue that keeps the USA off the podium...

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Re: If waxing an issue for USST, format that uses less wax?

Postby Magnus Johansson » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:33 am

jt10000 wrote:
JeffOYB wrote:If waxing continues to be an issue that keeps the USA off the podium...

LOL

Are you ridiculing Jeff?

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Re: If waxing too impt, use a format that relies less on wax?

Postby JeffOYB » Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:35 pm

He's being his usual jerk by digging up my old post where I overlooked recent good results in light of decades of waxing trouble.

This thread is about reducing the role of waxing. And many other things.

It's great the US women are winning and doing so well.
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Re: If waxing too impt, use a format that relies less on wax?

Postby jt10000 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:26 pm

JeffOYB wrote:He's being his usual jerk by digging up my old post where I overlooked recent good results in light of decades of waxing trouble.
I don't think it's too much to ask you to be aware of current or recent reality before you comment on it.
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Re: If waxing too impt, use a format that relies less on wax?

Postby Magnus Johansson » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:38 am

jt10000 wrote:
JeffOYB wrote:He's being his usual jerk by digging up my old post where I overlooked recent good results in light of decades of waxing trouble.
I don't think it's too much to ask you to be aware of current or recent reality before you comment on it.

So you are ridiculing Jeff for something he couldn't know when he wrote the original post because it hadn't happened, aren't you?

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Re: If waxing too impt, use a format that relies less on wax?

Postby jt10000 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:42 am

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jt10000 wrote:
JeffOYB wrote:He's being his usual jerk by digging up my old post where I overlooked recent good results in light of decades of waxing trouble.
I don't think it's too much to ask you to be aware of current or recent reality before you comment on it.

So you are ridiculing Jeff for something he couldn't know when he wrote the original post because it hadn't happened, aren't you?

No. The USST has had top-level waxing for years. He didn't know that when he started this thread. Their results this year are an extension of the reality for years. And the results this year were just a reminder, that made me laugh, of how ill-informed he was when he started this.
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Re: If waxing too impt, use a format that relies less on wax?

Postby Magnus Johansson » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:39 am

jt10000 wrote:No. The USST has had top-level waxing for years. He didn't know that when he started this thread. Their results this year are an extension of the reality for years. And the results this year were just a reminder, that made me laugh, of how ill-informed he was when he started this.

Did it not have anything to do with Jessica Diggins winning the 5 km free in Lillehammer the same day?

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Re: If waxing too impt, try a format that relies less on wax?

Postby JeffOYB » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:04 pm

I still don't think that the US has had a well publicized long term rep for great skis.

I may have missed the memo on that one but I'm probably not the only one.
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Re: If waxing too impt, try a format that relies less on wax?

Postby Blah » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:26 pm

JeffOYB wrote:I still don't think that the US has had a well publicized long term rep for great skis.

I may have missed the memo on that one but I'm probably not the only one.


????? :roll:

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Memo from 2001 to Jeff Potter - literally TO Jeff Potter

Postby jt10000 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:43 am

JeffOYB wrote:I still don't think that the US has had a well publicized long term rep for great skis.

I may have missed the memo on that one but I'm probably not the only one.


:shock:

Kikkan Randall won the overall sprint world cup in the 2011-2012 season. Not possible without consistently good skis.

And let's go back further. Not podiums, but on ski prep itself. Here is Zach Caldwell's response to a question you asked in 2001 on rec.skiing.nordic about USST ability with ski prep. You asked and he said, straight-up, that waxing is generally not holding the team back.

In general it's safe to say that the US Team is right in the thick of the mix with the rest of the world on the ski-prep end of things. They don't have the staff or the budget that the traditional ski powers have, but they've got some knowledgable and hardworking people who do a very good job by anybody's standards.


2001.

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rec.s ... discussion

If you want to say that the cost is too much, or any opinions you have about the effect of waxing/cost at lower levels of the sport or even on the budget of the USST (which might impact how many athletes they take to events), have at it. But your factual premise that the USST does not do waxing right is false, and has been for some time.
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Re: If waxing too impt, try a format that relies less on wax?

Postby Blah » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:22 am

JeffOYB wrote:I still don't think that the US has had a well publicized long term rep for great skis.

I may have missed the memo on that one but I'm probably not the only one.


What memo did you miss? The athletes consistently say they have had great skis. The team has had consistently good results for years now from Diggins and Randall with others like Bjornsen, Caldwell, Hamilton, Newell, Stephens and others posting top ten results.

They couldn't have those results with poor ski prep...

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Re: If waxing too impt, try a format that relies less on wax?

Postby JeffOYB » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:47 am

ok, i've been out of the loop awhile...

then there was that ad about our trailside bench and their semi-truck lab... (but i forget the details about that, too.)
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