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FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:36 pm
by Neuro
Poles should now be 83% of skiers height following a FIS resolution. This is for classic style only. Skate has no such restriction. The purpose is to save the classic style from poling only. Height is measured with ski boots on. Poles are measured to where the strap comes out of the handle.

Judging from the season opener (non WC event) at Beitostolen last weekend, it was not nearly enough as the 15 km opening race was won by Didrik Tonseth poling from start to finish..

And only a few skiers had to change their normal pole length slightly, mostly long distance racers (Vasaloppet, Marcialonga etc).

IMO adjusting lengths is a good idea, but it needs to come down more.

What do you think about the whole poling/no-wax vs striding debate?

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:03 am
by Magnus Johansson
I think any pole length should be allowed.

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:51 am
by TooHeavy
Its a good idea to limit the length of poles. If they want people to stride and use kick wax they have to set a race course with hills that require a skier to kick up. Also a time penalty for not steping out of the track for herringbone would preserve the track for the skiers with kick wax. Ski Tour Canada last spring all the skiers were using kick wax or Klister in the distance events. Why ?
Because they had to climb real hills.

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:55 am
by skiffrace
What do you think about the whole poling/no-wax vs striding debate?

Established long-distance races (Vasaloppet etc.) are suitable for double-poling. FISA won't/can't change those courses, so racers will be double poling there because it's faster. Olympics courses must be designed along 1/3-1/3-1/3 lines, they will enforce versatile skiing skills, so elite (except the marathon specialists) will still be all-around skill-wise.
Masses will monkey the elite, as usual. The thoughtful outdoor xc-skiing enthusiasts will remain striding because it is the most versatile and athletic (V02 max) promoting style.

I think any pole length should be allowed.

Yes. Like all pro/semi-pro sports,it's a circus anyway, so as long as nobody gets hurt, let them do as they please. Again, thoughtful skier will ask "how much of what the pros do applies do me?"
There are several Olympic swimming butterfly events. In my 30 years of recreational swimming, I've seen only 1 (one) guy swimming butterfly in a community pool.

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:16 pm
by JeffOYB
TooHeavy wrote:Its a good idea to limit the length of poles. If they want people to stride and use kick wax they have to set a race course with hills that require a skier to kick up. Also a time penalty for not steping out of the track for herringbone would preserve the track for the skiers with kick wax. Ski Tour Canada last spring all the skiers were using kick wax or Klister in the distance events. Why ?
Because they had to climb real hills.


+1

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:11 am
by Neuro
Yes, big hills are effective, but they need to be steep and long as we've seen people poling a lot of courses already, and changing venues is maybe more radical than altering pole lengths. Long term that might be an answer, but too big and long hills will also mean lighter climbers get an unfair advantage so there's that to consider as well.

Magnus Johansson wrote:I think any pole length should be allowed.

What do you think about the striding/poling debate?

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:08 pm
by Magnus Johansson
Neuro wrote:What do you think about the striding/poling debate?

I think it is good.

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:27 pm
by Neuro
I meant your view on it

Re: FIS new pole length rule

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:18 pm
by Magnus Johansson
Neuro wrote:I meant your view on it

That is my view on it. Do you have a more specific question?