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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby MN Hoser » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:17 pm

For the US readers, there's a pretty amazing documentary called Icarus featuring the Russian director, Rodchekov. It's on Netflix.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/mov ... 523785001/

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Magnus Johansson » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:26 am

MN Hoser wrote:For the US readers, there's a pretty amazing documentary called Icarus featuring the Russian director, Rodchekov. It's on Netflix.

Isn't it available world-wide on Netflix?

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Neuro » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:14 am

Yes it was the film that led to the revelation and investigation, which is part of my skepticism. They do a documentary about doping and they just happened to get the mastermind of the whole Russian doping system (involving secret police), and it's during the filming (which he no doubt did for a fee) he is convinced to suddenly drop the biggest doping bomb of all time, to ease his own conscience? Just too convenient.

Again, FIS don't buy it either. That's why they let the athletes compete in the World Cup, just a temporary ban of a handful of the latest group now, pending their own investigation.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Neuro » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:09 am

Neuro wrote:Again, FIS don't buy it either. That's why they let the athletes compete in the World Cup, just a temporary ban of a handful of the latest group now, pending their own investigation.


Not only FIS, IBU (International Biathlon Union) does not really accept the evidence either. And if the allegations are true, there will be other unions from other sports affected since it was supposedly not only skiers or biathletes, yet only IOC has come to this conclusion.

It's so weird to see the World Cup races now. The Russians are supposedly massive cheaters, yet there they are competing.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby dcpattie » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:44 pm

I haven't followed this story very closely but could someone please answer 2 basic questions:

1) has any of the alleged Russian skiers/biathletes actually returned a positive sample from Sochi 2014?
2) is Dr. Rodchenkov the sole single source for the Russian doping/cover-up methods?
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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Magnus Johansson » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:05 am

dcpattie wrote:I haven't followed this story very closely but could someone please answer 2 basic questions:

1) has any of the alleged Russian skiers/biathletes actually returned a positive sample from Sochi 2014?
2) is Dr. Rodchenkov the sole single source for the Russian doping/cover-up methods?

1. None of the mentioned athletes have returned positive samples from Sochi 2014.
2. Grigory Rodchenkov is by far the most important source, but the former RUSADA employee Vitaly Stepanov has also made allegations. Beside these two there are an unknown number of witnesses who came forward on a confidential basis allegedly corroborating what Richard McLaren claims already had been "secured".

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Neuro » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Putin was asked about the scandal and says the Americans are drugging Rodchenkov to make him say what they want.. :roll:

Even if that's too much, he also says Rodchenkov had earlier attempted suicide and was diagnosed with a mental disorder which seems to check out. He also says Rodchenkov had made a claim that money was everything.

Even if the last part should not be true, the implication is still that this is a person who could easily be bought and don't forget the whole premise here is that he is a massive cheater.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Magnus Johansson » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:09 am

Grigory Rodchenkov's attorney Jim Walden is an interesting character who accuses IOC of cowardice and believes Rodchenkov will be tortured and killed if extradited to Russia: http://www.bbc.com/sport/42487917


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