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World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Neuro » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:11 am

What do you think of the season so far? Youngsters Klæbo dominating the sprints for men and Nilsson the womens, but no clear leaders in long distance although the Russians are quite strong in the mens (especially classic).

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Gorf » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:09 am

I've been enjoying the broadcasts here in the US. Our NBC announcers can be fun to listen to, but sometimes the Eurosport broadcasts are more pleasant to watch, especially the ones without commentators!

I do like the sounds of the event without someone else's opinion and just the sounds of the race. I can imagine being there, not in a sound booth in Connecticut with a couple guys watching it on monitors as they do the voice over. With that being said, I can't imagine what an endurance race would be like while skiing next to a snowmobile...

I must say Biathlon is probably my favorite, with classic races and pursuits next. Although for me the the 50k is the ultimate race. Interesting to see the Norwegians dominate so many races. I wonder why this is?

More than anything it's amazing to see the incredible athleticism that goes into it. I would like to have more backstory and interviews or some such thing; I think it might help to make the sport more popular.

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Neuro » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:47 am

Yeah biathlon is so much fun, my fave too. I did try to watch some races without commentators on Internet when we rebuilt the house and TV was out (Biathlon TV, don't know if it still exists), but it wasn't the same, probably because I'm spoilt with top commentators.

Norwegians do well because this is the national sports here and so much resource go into it. I guess it would be the same as baseball or American football in USA. XC skiers are like rock stars here.

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Post by JeffOYB » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:42 pm

about the athleticism... i'd like to know about the basic stats for skiers. how do they do in biking, running, calisthenics? i suppose those are separate sports... but i'd like to see how WC skiers do with the NENSA or Canadian Fitness test w pull-ups, push-ups, dips, box jumps, etc. ...maybe their numbers would be impressive enough to generate some interest, as mentioned. US XC for sure needs to grow. ...like every other outdoor sport is doing, it seems.

reminds me of the dvd from 10 yrs ago (when DVDs were a thing) called UNLIMITED: A YEAR IN OXYGEN SPORT. they showed a year in the life of all-round Masters athletes, national champs and such. and it so happened that they were all XC skiers. they said "well, xc is the one sport that rules them all." if anyone in the trade was marketing XC, it could lead w that kind of concept. not that it's the "best" sport -- that's oldschool lameness -- but that skiers tend to do all the other sports. more so than any of the others.
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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by dcpattie » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:46 am

JeffOYB wrote:about the athleticism... i'd like to know about the basic stats for skiers. how do they do in biking, running, calisthenics? i suppose those are separate sports... but i'd like to see how WC skiers do with the NENSA or Canadian Fitness test w pull-ups, push-ups, dips, box jumps, etc. ...maybe their numbers would be impressive enough to generate some interest, as mentioned. US XC for sure needs to grow. ...like every other outdoor sport is doing, it seems.

reminds me of the dvd from 10 yrs ago (when DVDs were a thing) called UNLIMITED: A YEAR IN OXYGEN SPORT. they showed a year in the life of all-round Masters athletes, national champs and such. and it so happened that they were all XC skiers. they said "well, xc is the one sport that rules them all." if anyone in the trade was marketing XC, it could lead w that kind of concept. not that it's the "best" sport -- that's oldschool lameness -- but that skiers tend to do all the other sports. more so than any of the others.
We all know about their high VO2 Max scores as their always among the highest across all sports. We also know they're phenomenal runners. The top guys can run a 3k in around 8 minutes (4:18 pace) which would be very good for a D1 cross country runner. The top women are around 9:30 - 9:40. I don't recall where I got this list but I saved it as a reference (below).

3000 METER MEN
Anders Aukland 8.02,77
Arne Vidar Olsen 8:15
Bjørn Dæhlie 8.18,76
Magnar lundemo 8.19,00 (1961)
Geir Skari 8.19,77
Oddvar Brå 8.20,35
Ole Ellefsæter 8.21,40 (1962)
Pål Gunnar Mikkelsplass 8.22,50
Odd-Bjørn Hjelmeset 8.23,95
Remi Andersen 8.24,11
Frode Lillefjell 8.24,28
Martin deck 8.25,00 (1950)
Rolf Arne Holunder 8.25,90
Jan Lindvall 8.29
Morten Aasebø 8.29,91
Terje Langli 8.30
Erlend hook 8.31
The Hjermstad 8.31,20
Bård Jørgen Elden 8.31,80
Jan Egil Andresen 8.31,97
Arnt Ove Dragsten 8.32,30
Jorgen Bye Brevik 8.32,72
Sigurd Brørs 8.33
Espen Harald Bjerke 8.33,44
Eldar Rønning 8.34
Jens Hjort 8.35,14
Hallgeir Brenden 8.35,80 (1952)
Dag Atle Bjørkheim 8.36,00
Per brisket Lund 8.36,02
Christian Aaby 8.37,50
Vegard Ulvang 8.38
Knut Nystad 8.38,65
Anders Eide 8.39,01
Oddmund Jensen 8.39,20 (1961)
Sturla Kaasa 8.39,40 (1945)
Erling Jevne 8.41
Thomas Alsgaard 8.41
Ola Berget 8.42
Eirik Mysen 8.43
Didrik Tønseth 8.43
Arne Post 8:45
Egil Kristiansen 8:45
Jørgen Aukland 8.45
Karl Gunnar Skjønsfjell 8.47
Harald Berge 8.48
Bjorn Anders hook 8.48
Arild Monsen 8.49
Frode Estil 8.49
Tore Olsen 8:50
Skinstad 8.50
Petter Northug 8:51
Petter Eliassen 8.51
Vidar Løfshus 8.52
Tore Bjørseth Berdal 8.55
Øystein Rønbeck 8.55
Martin Andersen 8:58
Petter Soleng Skinstad 8.58
Øyvind Sandbakk 8.58
Hans Christer Holunder 9.00
Marius Caspersen Falla 9.00
Eirik Kurland Olsen 9:01
Håkon Loe Johansen 9:01
Niklas Dyrhaug 9.01
Øystein Pettersen 9:02
Øyvind skaanes 9.04
Sture Sivertsen 9:05
Tord Asle Gjerdalen 9.06
Pål Golberg 9.07
Sjur Røthe 9.08
Simen Hegstad Krüger 9.08
Mathias Round Green 9:09
Finn Haagen Krogh 9:11
Hallvard Moiana Nydal 9.12
Torgeir crust Thygesen 9.14
Espen Frorud 9.15
Simen Sveen 9.15
Ånund Lid Byggland 9.16
Ola Berg Fines 9.16
Martin Hammer 9.17
Ole Marius Bach 9:20
Sindre Hammer Lund 9.20
Chris Jespersen 9:21
Magnus Moholt 9.22
Erlend Moiana Nydal 9.23
John Kristian Dahl 9:26
Håkon Ramstad 9.26
Tomas Northug 9:27
Jonas Torgersen 9:28
Petter Rinde overland 9.28
Marcus Johansen Westgaard 9.30
Atle Rehn Berger 9.30
Trygve Henden Gaasø 9.31
Eirik Farstad 9:32
Andreas Nygaard 9.33
Rune Malo Odegaard 9:35
Øyvind Moen Fjeld 9:36
Kjetil Dammen Hagtvedt 9.36
Sindre Bjørnestad Skar 9:37
Hans Petter Lykkja 9.38
Andrew Musgrawe 9.40
Sindre Palm 9.40
Timo Andre Bakken 9:42
Eirik Telebond 9.42
Hakon Hjelstuen 9.45
Jonas Thor Olsen 9:52
Vegard Bjerkrheim Nilsen 9:53
Tore Martin Gundersen Sobak 9.57
Simen Lanes 10:00
Karl Erik Overn 10.10
Morten Vannebo 10.14
Ragnar Bragvin Andresen 10.20
Mads Mads Overgaard 10:21
Daniel Stock 10.39
Ola SandbÃ|k 10.52
Håkon Mikalsen 10.55
Emil Iversen 11:08

Women 3000 METER
Kristin Størmer Steira 9.29,80
Ingunn Hultgreen Weltzien 9.34,59
Grete Ingeborg Nykkelmo 9.35,03
Marte Elden 9.35,71
Kari Uglem 9.37,75
Bente Meisingset 9.38,80
Astrid Uhrenholt Jacobsen 9.40
Anne Jahren 9.40,40
Therese Johaug 9.40,61
Marit Myrmæl 9.43,50
May Bente Weng 9.43,87
Thea Murud 9.45,90
Rønnaug Schei 9.46,80
Anne Britt Storvik 9.50,60
Berit Aunli 9.52,50
Marianne Myklebust 9.55,73
Ingvild Flugstad Østberg 9.56
Anita Moen 9.56
Hilde Tellesbø 9.58,90
Brit Pettersen Tofte 10.00
Mari Ann Landsem 10.02,60
Marianne Dahlmo 10.03,35
Inger Hegstad 10.05,94
Bente Skari 10.07
Kamilla Bråthen 10.08,20
Kristin Benum 10.08,50
Ragnhild Bolstad 10.09,60
Marit Mikkelsplass 10.10,70
Linn Eriksen 10.10,90
Laila Rønning 10.11
Nina Skeime Kostøl 10.14,40
Marte Kristoffersen 10.15,20
Elin Nilsen 10.15,41
Solfrid Braathen 10.15,58
Helga Øvsthus Fenne 10.16,18
Magni Solum 10.16,77
Ingrid Narum 10.16,85
Merete Henninen 10.17,40
Ine Wigernæs 10.17,46
Siw Tangen 10.18,54
Lene Pedersen Steen-Johnsen 10.19,07
Tuva Toftdahl Staver 10.19,24
Lene Axelsen 10.20,46
Cecilie Riksvoll 10.21,23
Elin Didriksen 10.21,50
Britt Ingunn Nydal 10.21,54
Hilde Lauvhaug 10.23,70
Maiken Caspersen Falla 10.23,74
Thekla Brun Lie 10.24,44
Laila Kveli 10.25,82
Line Selnes 10.30,00
Valborg Østberg 10.31,40
Marthe Flugstad 10.32,70
Eli Irene Husom 10.34,30
Unni Hovdal 10.34,50
Trude Madsen 10.34,70
Tone Tangen 10.35,45
Sylvia Nordskar 10.37
Ingrid Knotten 10.37,00
Britt Thorshaug Granrud 10.37,05
Trude Dybendahl 10.38,60
Grete Lise Haagensen 10.40,60
Maja Solbakken 10.40
Vigdis Rønning 10.41,00
Agnes Holstad 10.41,08
Anne Kjersti Kalvå 10.43
Maria Strøm Nakstad 10.52
Kathrine Harsem 11.06
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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Pat » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:07 am

Yeah running times in the low 8s is moving right along. I was a D1 Track/XC runner back in my youth and I sure wasn't running a 3K in 8 and some change. In my mind I was, but somehow my heart/lungs/body held me back.

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by JeffOYB » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:57 am

wow, fast!

I wonder how US skiers do in running... or what happens when you compare other nation running. do run results predict ski results?
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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Neuro » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:56 am

Didrik Tønseth won the national cross country running event and looked very strong to do well in the European championship, but had to be severely threatened by the coach not to join.

Normally the best skiers are not in shape during the summer so not all that good run times with Petter Northug known for this, but also for telling off a lot of skiers why they always chose the wrong time of the year to peak (which was true and caused a stir).

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Gorf » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:07 am

Neuro wrote: I'm spoilt with top commentators.
I wish I could say the same. Not to knock our commentators at all, who are actually quite good (shout out to Chad Salmela!) but the advertisements, although not as bad as the NFL, are certainly quite nausea inducing. I'll spare the details...

But I do wish some of our commentators could actually pronounce names correctly. It's embarrassing really, I mean how do you get a job commentating World events when you can't even pronounce names? shaking my head...lol!
Neuro wrote:Norwegians do well because this is the national sports here and so much resource go into it.
And all this time I thought there was something in the lip balm!
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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Neuro » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:55 am

..and the asthma medicine 8)

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Post by dcpattie » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:57 pm

JeffOYB wrote:wow, fast!

I wonder how US skiers do in running... or what happens when you compare other nation running. doe run results predict ski results?
I recall Noah Hoffman was an excellent 5K runner (14:xx).
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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by MN Hoser » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:21 pm

First, 14.xx is my 3k time.

Second, I enjoyed the video.

Third, we now have snow. We've had a few 5-6" systems come through, and the various local golf course have been grooming. I have a cold, but I'll get out there in a few days....I hope. I did a little classic last night and it was fantastic. Only 25 min because I was tired...and then woke up with a sore throat. Arrg. At least I listen to my body being tired and didn't continue.

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Neuro » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:33 pm

Got to hand it to Alexander Bolshunov who today became the youngest Holmenkollen 50 km winner at only 22, and has already gotten Olympic and World Championship medals.

He completed all races in the recent World Champs which is quite a feat in itself, and now he's leading the World Cup as well.

Unlike the other new youngster superstar Johannes Klæbo, Bolshunov can do longer races and not just sprints.

An all time great in the making?

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Re: World Cup 2018/2019

Post by Glacier Glide » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:43 pm

Top four spots to Russians has to hurt Norwegian pride I would think. Johaug should reclaim some of that tomorrow.
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