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Postby Biffbradford » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:25 am

Was this a mass start? 21 guys within 30 seconds over 30k !


Rank Bib FIS Code Name Year Nation Time FIS Points
1 13 3480007 PANKRATOV Nikolay 1982 RUS 1:16:33.8 0.00
2 14 1067291 DI CENTA Giorgio 1972 ITA 1:16:34.2 0.12
3 1 1221327 TEICHMANN Axel 1979 GER 1:16:34.4 0.18
4 7 1178162 ANGERER Tobias 1977 GER 1:16:34.4 0.18
5 5 1139459 PILLER COTTRER Pietro 1974 ITA 1:16:34.8 0.30
6 4 1223849 CHECCHI Valerio 1980 ITA 1:16:35.2 0.43
7 10 1248293 SOEDERGREN Anders 1977 SWE 1:16:35.4 0.49
8 18 1283892 OLSSON Johan 1980 SWE 1:16:35.4 0.49
9 9 3480016 LEGKOV Alexander 1983 RUS 1:16:36.8 0.91
10 26 3420228 JOHNSRUD SUNDBY Martin 1984 NOR 1:16:37.6 1.16
11 21 1106867 BAJCICAK Martin 1976 SVK 1:16:37.9 1.25
12 36 1125588 DOLIDOVICH Sergei 1973 BLR 1:16:38.1 1.31
13 43 3480047 BABIKOV Ivan 1980 RUS 1:16:38.6 1.46
14 19 1362656 LIVERS Toni 1983 SUI 1:16:41.0 2.19
15 22 1221036 FILBRICH Jens 1979 GER 1:16:41.4 2.32
16 32 3100006 KERSHAW Devon 1982 CAN 1:16:41.5 2.35
17 44 1324729 GREY George 1979 CAN 1:16:42.2 2.56
18 2 1101047 SOMMERFELDT Rene 1974 GER 1:16:42.7 2.71
19 38 1297957 MORIGGL Thomas 1981 ITA 1:16:47.1 4.05
20 29 3480013 VYLEGZHANIN Maxim 1982 RUS 1:16:54.5 6.31
21 25 3290016 CLARA Roland 1982 ITA 1:16:55.7 6.67
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Postby Cloxxki » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:13 pm

Can't understand that either. They call it pursuit. But what did they use to set the starting delays then? First race there, wasn't it?

Do remember the first Pursuit of this season's Tour de Ski. It was Bauer....then a long nothing...and then a pack of 30 chasers (dropped) within seconds of each other.

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Postby wedelmaster » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:32 pm

caught the sprint quarters, semis and finals today. some great heats, lots of very close finishes. Local girl Chandra Crawford won the women's, awesome to see with the hometown crowd cheering her on.

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Postby snowhunter » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:13 pm

Did you catch this comment posted on skinnyski.com from my friend Scott Ackatz on the classic sprint race:

The classic sprint race on Wednesday was disappointing for the US Team, but for CXC it was good experience. After watching all the Norwegians double pole the whole course the first word from all of CXC was "CHUCK" referring to Matt Liebsch. That evening we learned that the Norwegians did a test in the morning, sending a skier out on the course at race pace, double poling on skate skis, then on classic skis striding the hills. Double poling the hills on skate skis was 5 seconds faster. Lesson learned.

You always have to be thinking "out of the box". I recall a very soft snow skate race I did where it was soo much work, I decided to try the track left over from the classic race. Much less work, and I marathon skated and double poled the whole 15k and ended up beating a lot of guys that should have and were beating me all year. Got to experiment and see what works best, even if it is different that what you may think.

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Postby wedelmaster » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:00 pm

yep, Norwegians grabbed 5 of the top 6 spots in the classic sprint. pretty amazing to watch.

Talking to a friend that works at the nordic centre and i guess the 2010 XC courses in the Callaghan Valley near Whistler will have much steeper climbs to discourage the double-poling-the-whole-course approach.

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Postby Cloxxki » Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:20 pm

Skate skis, really?
What do you guys think, are they better for the lack of kick was only, or does the higher flex help for the double poling somehow? I'd say the longer classic skis are supposed to glide a bit quicker, especially if they're never loaded one at a time.

I read that the classic course's hill were especially brutal. Apparently, "easy" enough for Norwegians to double pole up, and be quick while doing so...

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Postby snowhunter » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:35 am

Most of the time, skis without any kick wax will be faster than skis with any kick wax, since there is bound to be some drag from the wax. The camber helps keep the ski off the snow during the glide, but at half weight (i.e. double poling) some kick wax is bound to be draging on the snow. If it's not, you probably have little kick on the uphills, again, most of the time.

If classic skis were quicker, we'd probably see no reason to have separate classic and skate races, and more people using the classic in "freestyle" (i.e. any technique) races. You can classic in them, but rarely is the classic faster because of the above. Only when it's brutally cold, and slow for skating, might the classic actually be able to stay with the skate technique.

The sprint course apparently wasn't brutal enough to keep them from double poling the whole thing, especially since it's a sprint distance. Is a lot harder to double pole a 10k or more, especially with more and longer hills. I've used my skate skis for short (5-6k) classic races and double poled entire way, but only if it's a pretty flat course. You can't take a skate stroke or you are DQ'd. Some might think it's cheating (it's not), but probably more like unethical. I'd say it's more like using your head to determine what the fastest method for getting around the course is.

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Postby Biffbradford » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:05 pm

I'm watching the 30k pursuit right now on WCSN.COM.

Yes, it was mass start. Pack of 52 skiers start in classic, then switch to skating half way.

The course climbs 100m in 1km out of the stadium. That's a tough double pole (they didn't).

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