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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby JeffOYB » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:38 am

Magnus Johansson wrote:
JeffOYB wrote:No. Not guilt. Just banned.

So you believe banning innocent athletes is good?


Could be in some cases. Don't know for how long.

It would be a team or program or everyone working w a certain coach.

Like how if a fraternity misbehaves on a campus the whole thing gets closed down because it reflects badly on the school. Only a few individuals of the whole membership may have done the particular acts but the whole thing gets busted. Or penalized in some way.

What would the effects be if there was risk that individuals could get caught up in a group ban or penalty. Would ppl change how they work w groups or what they put up with?
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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby jt10000 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:38 pm

Dang.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby dcpattie » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:56 am

I guess this is why the IOC would not allow Anton Shipulin to compete. I just wonder what is known about Ustiugov? Of course FIS and IBU are two separate organizations but still, maybe someone knows something that is not out in the open (yet)?
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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Neuro » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:15 am

Looks like Rodchenkov at it again.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby JeffOYB » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:12 am

ah you beat me to the IBU thing
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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby Neuro » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:35 pm

One of the coaches for the Russian XC team since 2010, Markus Cramer from Germany, is dead certain that there has been no systematic doping conspiracy as he has been with the athletes almost daily for years and they have been continually tested at home and abroad.

He says it all rests on one man's testimony (Rodchenkov), and that no hard evidence exists. The scrapes on the vials could have been made in production according to experts in the CAS tribunal hearing, and besides it could all have been manufactured by Rodchenkov, an unstable person with suicidal and paranoid tendencies, who is, whichever way one looks at it, a massive cheat.

Cramer feels it's all a politically motivated witch hunt, as why else would the top favorites like Legkov (whom he was personal coach to from 2010 to 2014) and Ustyugov be banned from the Olympics when they have given no positive sample. During the 4 year period before Sochi Olympics, Cramer was Legkov's private coach and saw him practically daily, and during this time tested more than 150 times abroad.

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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby dcpattie » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:50 pm

At the end of the day I try to dismiss all "conversations" about doping allegations, either you are positive or you are negative. You are clean unless proven otherwise. That is how it works. If the doping officials have concerns, conduct more tests, develop more sensitive assays. Don't use innuendo and media outlets to destroy people, that's wrong. Perhaps Rodchenkov is 100% correct but for me, I also need one, at least one, positive test. Otherwise, its just good intel that is still useful for future (pin-point) testing.

But what about Lance you might ask, well, Lance had the entire operation (UCI) working for him so in this scenario both the athlete and testers were dirty. Under those circumstances everyone loses and there is no hope. I pray that FIS and cross country skiing is not anything like that!
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Re: Russian doping? -- (try again, on topic)

Postby MN Hoser » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:48 am

That's exactly what the FIS/WADA is doing. That's why the athletes are pissed.


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